Deathbridge Warhammer and Miniatures Gaming

Go Team! WOot!

2012-02-14T11:28:43.475-07:00

Go Team! WOot!

I like your blog. I agree. That is all.

2011-03-28T23:51:49.080-06:00

I like your blog. I agree. That is all.

Positives/negatives aside the current disscussion ...

2010-09-11T21:07:02.994-06:00

Positives/negatives aside the current disscussion is about the competetiveness of the game and all games are designed to be competetive.

That depends how you look at it. From a gamers pe...

2010-09-11T14:57:12.986-06:00

That depends how you look at it. From a gamers perspective is every point in the game balanced to the next? Is every model and unit matched point for point? We all know this isn't true.

The negatives though: the arguing, cheating, sportsmanship, painter snobs, tourney snobs... yeah, that's all people.

Lets take a step back and look at the core and bas...

2010-09-11T11:18:14.161-06:00

Lets take a step back and look at the core and basics than.

Every single game that can be played, be it sports, board games, minis, console etc are meant to be competetive. There is one winner, and one loser. However it is possible for both the winner and loser to have fun. But this is based on the player.

Now on balance, ofcourse the game is balanced, most are. Same points aside, same starting money, same amount of players it's all there.

Do you take a deathstar unit or stubborn blob of troops? Do you build hotels or go for all 4 railways? Do you put a lefty against a righty? Thats all choice, made by the players.

Hence Wallie, its the players not the game lol.

Balance, unbalanced, narrative competitive the tru...

2010-09-11T08:29:20.855-06:00

Balance, unbalanced, narrative competitive the truth lies firmly with the Squats. GW likes to have it both ways they believe they have a created a system that can be played in a tournament format but is not expressly designed for tournament play. I would say with the exception of the Guard, Wolves and Blood Angels the game has internal balance. Between Guard Wolves and Bloods there is a secondary level of balance but Guard, Wolves and Bloods are not as balanced compared to the field. So what is the solution, pg.2 of the Rule the must important Rule have fun. IF you like to beat people's brains in find people that want to beat your brain back. If you love fluffy narrative stories find players that want that. What is lost is the communication between players prior to a game, if you are facing Fluff machine, don't bring a Kill hammer. And Fluff bunny its okay to try a competitive build every once in a while. The beauty and downfall of GW is the game tries to be all things to all people which leaves all players somewhere in a no man's land arguing over who is broken and who is weak. Its a dice game accent on game it should be fun for both players. If its fun who cares if its balanced or not.

Ya know what I think? I think there isn't a p...

2010-09-10T21:54:32.933-06:00

Ya know what I think?

I think there isn't a player on the planet who isn't competitive. I don't think there is even such thing as just a fluff/story player. Those guys? They paint and read and that's it.

EVERY PLAYER is competitive to some degree. Not one reader here that plays games can say they don't complain about something being broken, think about list building, think about pts worth and such. It's the degree of which you are.

I call bullshit on anyone who says otherwise!

Also good to finally see a clubbie respond.

2010-09-10T19:07:51.014-06:00

Also good to finally see a clubbie respond.

That argument blew me out of the water with how in...

2010-09-10T19:07:36.084-06:00

That argument blew me out of the water with how indepth it was!!

:)

It's not the system its the players.

2010-09-10T18:43:04.602-06:00

It's not the system its the players.

Isn't that turning your own nose up though at ...

2010-09-10T18:04:21.889-06:00

Isn't that turning your own nose up though at those who don't like powerful builds for the sake of powerful builds? Isn't your argument against them the same as theirs against you and thusly nothing gets accomplished?

If the game is unbalanced, and X is overpowered, t...

2010-09-10T17:47:52.660-06:00

If the game is unbalanced, and X is overpowered, those who desire winning more than playing what they want are equally able to identify and use X. Thus, balance is restored.

If something is powerful and you want to win, use it or find a counter to it. Don't turn up your nose and complain when it beats you or your pet army build.

Oh yeah, she was meant to be substantial and get p...

2010-09-10T17:32:24.062-06:00

Oh yeah, she was meant to be substantial and get people talking.

The second topic I see both sides of as I humbly admit to sitting between narrative and competitive. I don't think the game can be 100% either way. I think it's designed to be a competitive game with a winner/loser but at the same time maintaining a story and background evocative of the millions we spend on the hobby. I think those spells CAN unbalance the game. The examples they give are drastic... but also completely overblown. They are the complete worst case scenario for everyone and actually incorrect by the rules for some. BoLS is the competitive side of the spectrum and far, far into it. I think the site does more harm then good to be honest. I also think the pure "PAINT! FLUFF! RAAWR!" only people do harm as much though.

I hope people continue responding here with some of their thoughts. Its interesting to hear both sides of the arguments and might, like it did me, help you honestly see where you are in the hobby.

Big subject. If you haven't already, you shoul...

2010-09-10T16:10:56.657-06:00

Big subject. If you haven't already, you should take a look at some of the more wide-ranging comments under two recent articles at Bell of Lost Souls. The first is most relevant, but the second has some interesting discussions at the 50-100 mark.

http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2010/09/40k-lets-get-super-serious-in-5-steps.html#disqus_thread

http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2010/09/wfb-worst-five-items-of-old-world.html#disqus_thread

Skaven? Easy. A ton of troops for next to nothi...

2010-09-09T21:52:45.689-06:00

Skaven?

Easy. A ton of troops for next to nothing... huge hordes of them. Then fill the rest with ridiculous weapon teams, wheels and HPA's. Add in some stupidly good cheap characters. Blammo. Easy math.

I agree i think the fire will sizzle out soon. Fo...

2010-09-09T18:27:59.729-06:00

I agree i think the fire will sizzle out soon.

For starting armies i would think the worse two would be nearly Skaven and High Elves hehe.

Very tricky armies to play with.

And I'm sticking to my stance. High Elves hav...

2010-09-07T22:17:31.191-06:00

And I'm sticking to my stance. High Elves have a much steeper learning curve and are way less forgiving. TONS of people are going to start them, excited about the models and the low-model count of the army, but they'll get turned off because High Elves need a lot of planning to win.

So I'm expecting a lot of High Elves for sale in about six months, and the demand for Skaven models going up.

There is of course the third option that not everyone is going to start these armies. They are a little niche, certainly not as popular or mainstream as Empire, Orcs or Chaos.

Yeah, all those models are so insane. I am sticki...

2010-09-07T21:59:45.184-06:00

Yeah, all those models are so insane. I am sticking with my high elves being the fantasy space marines. Easy to get and really good models.

And while I voted neither in the poll, I am starting an army for my fiance. So... I will probably end up with Skaven. :)

Just so im clear your talkin about our game right?...

2010-09-04T22:42:10.044-06:00

Just so im clear your talkin about our game right? lol

I HAVE discovered, like Fuzz mentioned, that compl...

2010-09-04T21:41:28.832-06:00

I HAVE discovered, like Fuzz mentioned, that compliments on the painting helps. :)

Hell yeah. It's about learning at that level....

2010-09-04T21:06:33.660-06:00

Hell yeah. It's about learning at that level.

And sure, you can take a unit of 30 orks, but can you weather 2 tactical squads shooting before getting into assault?

I think it's a good exercise to try. It's not something that should be a regular occurence but it's a good way to get started on a new army or help someone get started on theirs.

Otherwise, play 1500. It's the perfect pt level for 40k.

500 point games are all about boyz before toyz. I...

2010-09-04T16:20:08.521-06:00

500 point games are all about boyz before toyz. It's a great way to learn the basics of a new army. But the key is to keep you and your opponent on the same page. If you're bringing tactical marines and he did min core to bring a pair of tanks, it's over before it starts. However, if you both do a minimal HQ and heavy troops, you can both get a good feel for you army without it being TOO one-sided. I'm not saying it's perfect, but with a willing opponent it's a great way to learn a new army.

Doompickle said it best: stick it out. The ONLY r...

2010-09-04T16:14:58.220-06:00

Doompickle said it best: stick it out. The ONLY reason I have success with my Eldar is by playing virtually the same list until I figured out how everything worked, then started adding in new units. Just like with any practice, consistency is key. Sometimes you just have to take your lumps and keep your eyes on the light at the end of the tunnel.

Glad to see everyone in agreement! Now, get out t...

2010-09-04T16:09:05.128-06:00

Glad to see everyone in agreement! Now, get out there and be pros!

One day I will get that! MWAHAHAHAHAHA.

2010-09-04T13:48:24.614-06:00

One day I will get that!

MWAHAHAHAHAHA.